And I'm excited. I just want to be a part of what he's doing, and not miss out because of my selfishness and refusal to deny myself and take up my cross and follow him. Yesterday I found a really great site
http://www.allathisfeet.com/
If you are ready to reconsider christianity and how it is lived out, go there. Check out the book "a day of small beginnings", I've been reading it this afternoon and it's really powerful. There's a couple times so far when God has just convicted me about how focused I am on my goals and I so little care and love the people around me except when I'm comfortable or it will advance my reputation. If there's anything I've learned from the bible it's that people who put their reputation in God's hands go down in history but those who try to make a name for themselves might be succesful and well-known for awhile but in the end their works will turn to ash on the day of judgment.
Is life a competition or a cup? Peter saw it as a competition and so he cut of Malchus's ear because they were trying to take away his saviour. Jesus saw life as a cup... he realized the suffering and things he would have to go through and he so abandoned to the will of God that none of that mattered. Do you realize that the cross looks like the biggest failure of all time. Jesus convinced so many people to believe in him and even his disciples said he was the son of God (Matthew 16:16). But it looked like everything was lost and Jesus died because he couldn't hold his tongue and be a people-pleaser even for a second.
I know these thoughts may seem kind of jumbled but God has been teaching me a lot lately. Being constant in prayer is probably my greatest desire for this year 1 Thessalonians 5:17. A really good book on it is called "Practice the presence of God" by brother lawrence
http://www.fireonthealtar.com/books/
it's the second last book on that page, the very last book called "Mr contentment and your five wooden cups" rocked my world. How should we spend money? Really when our eyes our are on eternity, none of these physical pleasure should mean anything. The more focused we are on eternity, it's exciting, we will have a greater passion for souls, a greater understanding of the ridiculousness of sin, suffering will be inconsequential compared to the joy of heaven.
Here is a cool excerpt from the top book that I was reading today called a day of small beginnings. Anyways to preface the quote this bible college proffessor just found out that one of the godliest strong christians in his class fell into temptation with his girlfriend and she is pregnant. He is crushed with the revelation and searching the word and... well read and find out what he finds out.
Spent, George lifted himself off the floor and sank wearily into his desk chair. He still had more questions than answers as he turned to face his Bible, still open from that morning. His eyes caught a phrase in Hebrews 3: “Sin’s deceitfulness.” Boy, if that doesn’t describe what happened to Rick, I don’t know what does. As George thought about the whole situation with Rick, he felt a surge of anger in his heart. He was angry, knowing the deceiver had maimed yet another one of God’s lambs through his lying tactics. Lord, does it have to be this way? Surely, there must be a way to keep this from happening. He looked again at the worn page, hoping for an answer.
“Encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness.” What?! He read it again, hoping he hadn’t missed something. That’s what it says! Sin’s deceitfulness can be prevented! Truth illuminated his heart. Could obedience to one simple command really help keep people—people he loved—from being deceived and hardened by sin? It says it right here. He answered his own question, thumping the page. The Holy Spirit did write that verse, he reasoned. George’s heart began to surge with excitement and hope—hope that his efforts to care didn’t have to be forever subject to arbitrary failure.
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Just wanted to warn you about the allathisfeet site. You might want to check out this link to see what the people affiliated with that site are really all about.
http://www.factnet.org/discus/messages/3/25121.html?1163388306
and this one:
http://indianapoliscult.com/AllatMikesfeet/Welcome.aspx
PLEASE be careful and use discernment. Look at the links I've placed here with prayerful consideration.
I just want to confirm the warning that the allathisfeet site is from a CULT. If you don't believe us, check with Indiana's #1 cult education ministry, "Indiana Families Against Cults":
http://www.familiesagainstcults.org/contact.php
Thanks!
Hi... :-)
I just wanted to warn you that there is a small group of people on the internet who are propogating the lie that the church at AllAtHisFeet.com is a cult. IT'S NOT. You really should be warned about these people, who are some of the most spiritually diabolical people you will ever meet, and ironically MOST of them, including this so-called (and oh so "spiritual sounding") "JoyThruChrist" person have never even BEEN to this church. Instead, they sit behind computer keyboards from 1000 miles away and have, for the last two years, paged an all out war of hate, persection and revenge against that church for being very, very wise and discerning about some people who postulate themselves and "believers" when their fruit says completely otherwise.
Jesus said when you do things His way, it WILL result in hate, persecution, and even your death in some cases. He also said some will do these things firmly believing that they are serving God by doing them. These people, "JoyThruChrist" and her motley crew on the internet are some of those.
I've lived in that church TWICE and have known many of them for years and years -- some as long as 25-30 years -- and none are guilty of the things being written about them on the internet. The Families Against Cults reference is run by a person named Augusta Harding who personally hates them as well. It's as simple as that.
It's digusting to me to be on someone's personal blog having to write some of this, because it just isn't the place for it, but I would be doing you a disservice to allow the liars to come here and not say anything about it either.
Read the AAHF risk page for more information on these kinds of people who pretend to be helping all the while trying to draw people up into their whirlwinds of controversay that THEY have created. God said through Paul to STAY AWAY from people like that (and their smoke-and-mirrors web sites and other machinations of hate and deceit.)
it's easy to "write" something on the internet, brother. It's another to know someone in person, and it's not without cause that the very wise and discerning brothers and sisters at that site have some people who hate them. The FRUIT of these people claiming these things, is WELL known, and it isn't pretty. (So they've tried to "turn the tables" in revenge with wild and concocted stories.)
"Some love the Truth and so are saved"... and some do NOT love the Truth. That's just the way it is... :-( As Jesus said.
The church at AllAtHisFeet has literally hundreds of THROUSANDS of people who appreciate very much not only the things they have written but also personal contact with the saints there.
Sorry to have to bring all ths up, but some people aren't going to ever go away. :-(
http://www.AllAtHisFeet.com/risk.html
Faithfully Yours,
ChrisO
David (and anyone else reading this),
Do NOT listen to "Chris". He is an angry apologist for a living, breathing, dangerous CULT! Notice how he attacks JoythruChrist with his "war, hate, and persecution" slur. All this person did was warn you to check into the Allathisfeet cult by reading about them first.
Let me give you further evidence of their cultic nature. They were recently thoroughly exposed in an article in "Indianapolis Monthly", a magazine with nearly 50,000 subscribers. The article was written by an objective and award-winning journalist (Tony Rehagen). Please see the article at:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general943.html
When Chris comes on here and calls all critics of this cult "haters" and "persecutors", just remember that Rev. Jim Jones' defenders said the same thing.
God bless!
Thank you guys for your comments, I really do appreciate learning that the indianapolis group is a cult. I always hunger for something more than regular church and I guess that's why I was susceptible to thinking this was really great stuff. But it was ironically Chris' response just confirms it in my mind that this wasn't from the Lord. All he did was slander and denigrate others, while the others just offered up helpful information and let me see the truth.
When man tries to control it always lead to pain and heartbreak, but I am so sure there is a better way that does not rest so heavily on leadership or lack of leadership but on God. Here are some excerpts from the Azusa street revival that show I believe more of how God wants an informal church to be run.
"We were delivered right there from ecclesiastical hierarchism and abuse. We wanted God. When we first reached the meeting we avoided as much as possible human contact and greeting. We wanted to meet God first. We got our head under some bench in the corner in prayer, and met men only in the Spirit, knowing them “after the flesh” no more. The meetings started themselves, spontaneously, in testimony, praise and worship. The testimonies were never hurried by a call for “popcorn.” We had no prearranged programmed to be jammed through the time. Our time was the Lord’s. We had real testimonies from fresh heart-experience. Otherwise, the shorter the testimonies, the better. A dozen might be on their feet at one time, trembling under the mighty power of god. We did not have to get our cur from some leader. And we were free from lawlessness. We were shut up to God in prayer in the meetings, our minds on Him. All obeyed God, in meekness and humility. In honor we “preferred one another.” The Lord was liable to burst through any one. We prayed for this continually. Some one would finally get up anointed for the message. All seemed to recognize this and gave way. It might be a child, a woman, or a man. It might be from the back seat, or from the front. It made no difference. We rejoiced that God was working. No one wished to show himself. We thought only of obeying God.
Presumptuous men would sometimes come among us. Especially preachers who would try to spread themselves, in self-opinionating. But their effort was short lived. The breath would be taken from them. Their minds would wander, their brains reel. Things would turn black before their eyes. They could not go on. I never saw one get by with it in those days. They were up against God. No one cut them off. We simply prayed. The Holy Spirit did the rest. We wanted the Spirit to control. He wound them up in short order. They were carried out dead, spiritually speaking. They generally bit the dust in humility, going through the process we had all gone through. In other words they died out, came to see themselves in all their weakness, then in childlike humility and confession were taken up of God, transformed through the mighty “baptism” in the Spirit. The “old man” died with all his pride, arrogancy and good works. In my own case I came to abhor myself. I begged the Lord to drop a curtain so close behind me on my past that it would hit my heels. He told me to forget every good deed as though it had never occurred, as soon as it was accomplished anything for Him, lest my good works become a snare to me."
"In fact there was an atmosphere of God there that forbade any one but a fool attempting to put himself forward without the real anointing. And such did not last long. The Spirit, from the throne controlled the meetings. Those were truly wonderful days. I often said that I would rather live six months at that time than fifty years of ordinary life. But God is just the same today. Only we have changed."
That's my heart for the church. That's my desire.
The reactions to what I posted on this thread a while back were recently called to my attention, dovetailing with some things I have been feeling, sorting through, and have grown in since that time. While I feel I have been misunderstood as to my intentions -- deep emotions bolstered by and even driven by undeniable facts -- I see that any misunderstanding by other believers is entirely my own fault. I've certainly in the past misrepresented Christ in *spirit* while attempting to present the Truth.
Please see a message containing my unqualified repentance and apology to the body of Christ at large concerning this controversy here:
http://www.factnet.org/vbforum/showthread.php?t=11761
For going on 2 years now, I wasn't sure how to "undo" some of that I've said and done, but I hope the apology located at the above link will help do exactly that. :-)
In peace,
ChrisO
chris.olive@comcast.net
Thanks Chris, I do appreciate the humility it takes to apologize. It takes a lot of courage to adhere to a loving admonishment for change. It's a blessing to see.
However just because of the enormity of responses I've received from people who've been hurt by this group I can't just believe that nothing happened. People are never so vocal about things that they don't care about. Obviously I've never been there either so I can't make a fully informed decision, but from everything I've heard and read much pain has been caused by this group and some have even left the faith. Where is the good fruit? Can you point to disciples and a loving fearless community that is changing the entire city that they live in? And building each other up and carrying each others burdens?
Chris, as a brother in Christ I am worried about what is happening in this community and the tight control of man instead of the Spirit. I will be praying for you guys, for transformation and genuine servant leadership. God bless you and keep you.
Hi David, if you want to know what motivates those who hate AllAtHisFeet.com, then read this link http://www.allathisfeet.com/seed.cfm?id=34397 as well as RevolutionDancing.com. Then decide. Follow your heart, and the Scriptures, and don't be intimidated by men who offer you nothing but "don't this" and "don't that." This is satan's favorite game -- to rob you of your Purpose and Treasure with terrorist inuendos. Remember what you started this page with, and don't give up so easily. His Peace and Life be upon you, in Jesus. Grace to you in the Pearl of GREAT PRICE. If there is no GREAT PRICE, then how could it REALLY be Him?
David, I am impressed by the wisdom you display in your response to Chris. May the Lord continue to bless you with wisdom and knowledge.
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Hi, I've never been to the church in Indianapolis nor do I personally know of anyone that has ever been associated with them.However,I have often visited their websites and have also read a lot of their literature as well as watched their videos.I don't agree with everything they have to say and I especially do not like their tone when it comes to criticizing Evangelical Christianity.I do agree with what they say about the state of the Church but not HOW they say it.In addition, their music reflects the spiritual knowing of the blessedness of abiding in Christ which is woefully missing from the legalistic-based church denominations. This body of believers is experiencing the reality of the FREEDOM found in the righteousness of Christ as expounded by the Pauline Gospel in Romans 5,6,7,8 and Galatians 4 and 5, and Eph.4.There is a level of spiritual maturity there that is identical to many saints from the past including; T.Austin-Sparks,William Newell,Watchman Nee,Charles Spurgeon,Hudson Taylor,Evan Hopkins,and John Darby. Using faith, they "see" the invisible everlasting counsels of God for the New Man,the Church,he Body of Christ,i.e.,the Wife of the Lamb.Critics accuse them of being a cult but never go into specifics to justify their criticisms.Just as Jesus was misunderstood because He spoke of heavenly realities,and criticized the cold legalism of Judaism and attracted false witnesses.
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